New Mustang could get a hybrid system and a diesel

"El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!" (lightningzone)
12/07/2013 at 13:52 • Filed to: None

Nope. This is not an April fools prank, it's fucking December.

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Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2 > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
12/07/2013 at 13:55

So, December fools?

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2
12/07/2013 at 13:58

It's no joke for Ford's powertrain boss.

Gimmi-Sagan-Om-Draken > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
12/07/2013 at 13:59

Kinja'd!!!

It looks a lot like a Honda coupe to me

STREPITUS > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
12/07/2013 at 14:03

New Stingray Corvette could get 6 wheels drive and off road mode.

Nope. This is not an April fools prank, it's fucking December.

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > STREPITUS
12/07/2013 at 14:07

Hey, I'm only the messenger.

The Transporter > Gimmi-Sagan-Om-Draken
12/07/2013 at 14:08

Kinja'd!!!

duurtlang > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
12/07/2013 at 14:17

You might laugh, but I can almost guaranty you a proper diesel would double the sales of the Mustang in Europe . Its mostly German competitors are mostly sold with a diesel as well. Hybrid, not so much.

6shelBfan6 > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
12/07/2013 at 14:18

Every Mustang enthusiast would revolt. B.S.

Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
12/07/2013 at 14:19

Commies. That's not 'merican.

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > duurtlang
12/07/2013 at 14:23

Didn't knew Germans build muscle cars, unless you're talking about expensive AMG and M stuff.

RW53104 > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
12/07/2013 at 14:26

I guess that's not too surprising, seeing how well the Fusion hybrid has done.

soulpunx > duurtlang
12/07/2013 at 14:43

I really hope so, gimme dat profit share.

duurtlang > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
12/07/2013 at 14:47

Imagine a European who's a potential Mustang buyer. He's going to cross shop the Mustang with other cars, obviously. What kind of cars? I'm guessing BMW 4-series (M, but also the lesser ones), Audi A5, cars like that. And they're mostly sold with diesels. These cars might be much more expensive than the Mustang in the US, I'm betting the price difference will be far smaller in Europe. Besides, a very large percentage of vehicles of almost any not-tiny (Fiat 500) class are sold with a diesel here. The majority, usually.

Victorious Secret > The Transporter
12/07/2013 at 14:50

Jesus Christ, Gimmi has latched onto the bandwagon. Now you know it has jumped the shark.

Michael Ballaban > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
12/07/2013 at 14:51

Here's the money quote:

“We’re not looking at diesel at the moment, but given where we need to go with fuel consumption we are looking at all our options,” he revealed.

“And diesel is one of those options, along with hybrids and electric.”

However Mr Fascetti refused to divulge any specifics as to what is being looked at, such as powertrain specifics or market timing for such vehicles.

Since my day job for now entails covering the world of business, I'll clue you in to what we call a "fiduciary duty statement." Basically it means that they'll always say they'll always keep their options open for the health of the business. No matter what.

That's what this sounds a lot like. It doesn't sound like THE MUSTANG COULD GET A HYBRID SYSTEM AND A DIESEL. It sounds like Ford is always looking at all options to sell the most amount of cars. That's why the new Mustang comes with a turbo-4.

So is it possible? Yes. Is it plausible? Eh, not really, not right now, I don't think. I'd wait for a more definitive statement to go with the headline you provided.

Victorious Secret > 6shelBfan6
12/07/2013 at 14:51

Enthusiasts are idiots.

You mean nothing to grand sales.

A diesel expands its popularity in Europe and a hy-kers style hybrid expands its performance credence while also being more EPA friendly.

Victorious Secret > duurtlang
12/07/2013 at 14:53

It makes complete sense.

A hybrid is more likely a performance hybrid aka KERS to give more fun times when you need it and fuel efficiency second.

A diesel expands your market and opens you up to many shoppers who actively look for diesel options.

Also, all that torque in a RWD layout? Kinda hard to say no to that, especially when Mustangs are DDs and DDs need more usable torque and generous efficiency than they do screaming high redlines and 679090903 horsepower.

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > Michael Ballaban
12/07/2013 at 14:59

Well, by could , I said just that, it could get a diesel or a hybrid, or it could not, I know that using may , would've made a more honest title, but I wanted to have a small dose of sensationalism in it, as most people are getting bored of Mustang news, already.

Hugh Jazz Can no longer Kinja > Gimmi-Sagan-Om-Draken
12/07/2013 at 15:32

For the sake of adding absolutely nothing to the conversation that I haven't already...

Kinja'd!!!

Goshen, formerly Darkcode > duurtlang
12/07/2013 at 15:41

I don't see the average 4 series/A5 buyer even considering the Mustang.

Goshen, formerly Darkcode > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur
12/07/2013 at 15:43

That's not commie either, otherwise it would include rust as standard. Plus, real deal Communists are even bigger global warming denialists than US neocons.

Goshen, formerly Darkcode > STREPITUS
12/07/2013 at 15:43

That would be awesome.

duurtlang > Goshen, formerly Darkcode
12/07/2013 at 15:44

So who is cross shopping the Mustang then? In Europe that is. I honestly wouldn't know what else. Sure, BRZ and the like, but those are very rare and if its them Ford is targeting I imagine I won't be seeing many Mustangs.

Goshen, formerly Darkcode > duurtlang
12/07/2013 at 15:48

The outcasts. People who were already buying M3s back in the E30 days and are disappointed by the softness of newer models, Camaro owners (they may be few, but they're the reason for which the Mustang is now exported), Nissan Z-car owners, and the 23 people who were going to buy a Mustang from Geiger Cars or any similar importer.

duurtlang > Goshen, formerly Darkcode
12/07/2013 at 15:50

So you predict Ford of Europe will sell about 50 Mustangs annually?

disclaimer: I can go for many months between seeing Nissan Z-cars and I've seen a 21st century Camaro maybe once.

Goshen, formerly Darkcode > duurtlang
12/07/2013 at 16:08

They've already claimed that only 10% of the production is heading overseas. That means 10,000 cars per year. It's almost sure that the majority of those cars are heading Australia (something will have to fill the gap left by the F6s and Falcon GTs, and eventually also the XR8s). Doesn't leave a lot for the rest of the world.

carcrasher88 > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
12/07/2013 at 16:21

If the diesel is like one of the recent BMW M Diesels, awesome.

If the hybrid is like the upcoming NSX, 918, P1, LaFerrari, etc., awesome.

If the Hybrid is like a Prius or the Diesel is like a Jetta diesel (unless they do a 2.0 EcoBoost-esque diesel, which would be double awesome), GTFO.

BurnerAccount9007 > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
12/07/2013 at 16:29

Any word on a turbo 8? It would be for fuel-cost savings and the environment, of course.*

* V12 performance for V8 efficiency.

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > BurnerAccount9007
12/07/2013 at 16:49

V8 efficiency? Good one.

Ratchet when he's all hopped up on synthetic energon > Michael Ballaban
12/07/2013 at 18:09

I can see a diesel Mustang in the future; in 2021 when CAFE standards are up past 50mpg, a diesel will let Ford continue to have a high-torque medium-rpm engine that fits the GT without it having to be the size of a modern 1/2-ton pickup.

Somethingwittyer likes noisy > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
12/07/2013 at 21:50

Diesel? Maybe.

hybrid: Nope

Electric?

Kinja'd!!!

DartzIRL > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
12/07/2013 at 23:28

EU market is 50% diesel or more due to taxation brakes... and 'sporty' Diesels do exist. It's one way to get a lot of grunting torque without a massive engine.

Alex87f > Victorious Secret
12/08/2013 at 05:44

There's another thing, which is that in Europe, company cars are much more common than in the USA.

Normally, the employee is given a leasing price range and can choose whatever car he wants as long as the company agrees with it, and that's it's either a diesel or a hybrid.

The reason for this is that companies get a higher VAT deduction on diesel (100% in most cases) than on petrol (usually 80% max, except for hybrids). This rule comes from the 70's , when governments promoted diesel as part of an initiative aimed at reducing dependance on imported oil, especially from arab countries (think OPEC crisis).

So if you don't have a diesel or a hybrid, you're shutting yourself out of the company car market.

One could argue that this is now a bit obsolete but -at least in France- carmakers strongly lobby against changing this because they're good at making diesel engines, but not very good at making petrol engines.

blackjack666 > Michael Ballaban
12/08/2013 at 07:52

I'd consider it very plausible given they want to market the new Mustang as a world car.

The base/budget model is probably going to compete with cars like the Audi A5/TT, BMW 4series or Mercedes C-Class Coupe, maybe also the Renault Laguna Coupe. ALL of these are available with at least one Diesel engine and manual or auto transmission getting 30 mpg or more.

If Ford wants big sales in Europe, they'll need to have a Diesel - they wouldn't even have to develop a new one, just take one form the S-Max/Galaxy or Mondeo (Fusion).

Garland - Last Top Comment on Splinter > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
12/08/2013 at 08:40

Kinja'd!!!

Garland - Last Top Comment on Splinter > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
12/08/2013 at 08:43

Diesel sounds great. Probably won't be the Power Stroke, but I'd love to hear that diesel rumble from a Mustang.

Hybrid or electric versions?